I wonder if they'll realize guns are defective by nature. They work as intended, however, to kill or harm a human being. Lawn darts worked that way yet were not so intended, same with pintos.
Well, I believe guns are intended to be a successful method of protecting life and property. If this is their intended purpose, then guns are defective in that they actually have the opposite effect to that which is advertised.
I see that you two are against the private ownership of guns, or at least I am assuming as much from what I read here. This is an excellent topic for debate at a non-political level (I don't tolerate political debates very well). I don't own a gun and I doubt I ever will, but I'm a midwestern southern boy (surprised at all?) and am not at all against them. In fact . . .
I don't want to argue at that level though. It just starts to sound like shrieking, and nobody ever changes anybody's mind. I confess that I walk away from most political discussions, so please don't shriek in response. But, do we really want to be the subjects of a government that is permitted to possess guns when we are not? What happens when that government becomes intolerable? How would we ever resist? This bothers me to the point of distraction. Are we so sure of democracy or democratic capitalism as an ideal that we are convinced that the government representing it is serving our interests and nothing else? This cuts across liberal/conservative lines. Everything essential really does. Here's my argument put in another way. Imagine the worst form of government, as you conceive it. Then, think of this government announcing that no citizen is allowed to possess a weapon. Now, as the story unfolds, a rebellion rises up, and as it turns out its members have been stockpiling weapons to use in resistance. And in the end they are victorious. Do you see these people as heroes or villains? Remember, they are resisting the worst form of government that you personally can possibly imagine, one that perhaps threatens the life of yourself and the people you love more than yourself. Do you see the gun owners of our society differently? Why? Because you view our government as some sort of manifestation of governmental ideal? And don't just say that that gun owners are a bunch of rednecks (I happen to come from a family of farmers, so I might take it personally -- not really, but I thought that was a nice touch -- that is, I do come from a family of farmers, on my mother's side, but I take very little personally).
Nimiwey, I really hope you don't believe you are too stupid for my blog. I spend most of my life feeling like I'm too stupid for my own ambitions.
Yeah, I'm too stupid rebel. I'm cool with it. I go to great efforts to not think too much anymore anyway.
Guns. Kill. People. Most commonly used for familial homocide. I'm not sure we should privately own them. I don't think I would trust myself with one. They don't seem to be paranoid about the government having guns in Canada and England and the citizens unarmed. Maybe I do have enough faith, blissful ignorance, etc. that our gov't wouldn't turn into the Big Bad Wolf. I thought that's what those checks and balance thingy-s were for.
I do find the gun to be the phallus.
Maybe a risk/benefit analysis could palpably measure if private citizens owning them is a good thing. I'm sure we can't undo a hard-to-interpret second amendment this day in age anyway.
Well, yes, guns kill people, but that argument doesn't go very far. If we were to apply it as a general principle, the first thing we would have to get rid of would be cars. I would actually support that, for reasons that you would agree with, I might guess. But that isn't a matter for shrieking in our society, for some reason. CARS KILL PEOPLE!!! Shriek, shriek, shriek. Gee, nobody's listening, liberal or conservative. Why not? Because (rationally or not) there is a cost-benefit side to it. We believe that the benefits of cars outweigh the fact that children will be killed by them every single day. Shriek. Now, I happen to believe that the benefits of the private ownership of guns (not putting 100% trust in a government that might execute a man like Socrates) outweigh the fact that people will be killed by them at a similiar (lesser/greater?) rate.
We permit our government to own guns because otherwise our nation would be defenseless against other nations. It's the same argument at a higher level.
Certain things get politicized, and taking one side or the other gives people an identity. Most arguments have an assumed consensus as their foundation, and therefore the winner is the one who shrieks loudly enough to be heard by his party.
Well, I had no idea this post would "trigger" a debate over gun control.
I've never really bought the argument that the American government might one day become intolerably oppressive. That alarming prospect--oops, we elected a tyranny--has always seemed like a fairy tale told primarily to sell libertarianism.
Even if it did one day seem like a good idea for the masses to rise up against the government, I can't imagine how arming them (the masses) with guns would be much help in that regard.
That said, there are many other reasons why American men should be allowed to keep their guns.
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I wonder if they'll realize guns are defective by nature. They work as intended, however, to kill or harm a human being. Lawn darts worked that way yet were not so intended, same with pintos.
Well, I believe guns are intended to be a successful method of protecting life and property. If this is their intended purpose, then guns are defective in that they actually have the opposite effect to that which is advertised.
It'll be interesting to see how that new federal law indemnifying gun manufacturers works out.
I see that you two are against the private ownership of guns, or at least I am assuming as much from what I read here. This is an excellent topic for debate at a non-political level (I don't tolerate political debates very well). I don't own a gun and I doubt I ever will, but I'm a midwestern southern boy (surprised at all?) and am not at all against them. In fact . . .
I don't want to argue at that level though. It just starts to sound like shrieking, and nobody ever changes anybody's mind. I confess that I walk away from most political discussions, so please don't shriek in response. But, do we really want to be the subjects of a government that is permitted to possess guns when we are not? What happens when that government becomes intolerable? How would we ever resist? This bothers me to the point of distraction. Are we so sure of democracy or democratic capitalism as an ideal that we are convinced that the government representing it is serving our interests and nothing else? This cuts across liberal/conservative lines. Everything essential really does. Here's my argument put in another way. Imagine the worst form of government, as you conceive it. Then, think of this government announcing that no citizen is allowed to possess a weapon. Now, as the story unfolds, a rebellion rises up, and as it turns out its members have been stockpiling weapons to use in resistance. And in the end they are victorious. Do you see these people as heroes or villains? Remember, they are resisting the worst form of government that you personally can possibly imagine, one that perhaps threatens the life of yourself and the people you love more than yourself. Do you see the gun owners of our society differently? Why? Because you view our government as some sort of manifestation of governmental ideal? And don't just say that that gun owners are a bunch of rednecks (I happen to come from a family of farmers, so I might take it personally -- not really, but I thought that was a nice touch -- that is, I do come from a family of farmers, on my mother's side, but I take very little personally).
Nimiwey, I really hope you don't believe you are too stupid for my blog. I spend most of my life feeling like I'm too stupid for my own ambitions.
Yeah, I'm too stupid rebel. I'm cool with it. I go to great efforts to not think too much anymore anyway.
Guns. Kill. People. Most commonly used for familial homocide. I'm not sure we should privately own them. I don't think I would trust myself with one. They don't seem to be paranoid about the government having guns in Canada and England and the citizens unarmed. Maybe I do have enough faith, blissful ignorance, etc. that our gov't wouldn't turn into the Big Bad Wolf. I thought that's what those checks and balance thingy-s were for.
I do find the gun to be the phallus.
Maybe a risk/benefit analysis could palpably measure if private citizens owning them is a good thing. I'm sure we can't undo a hard-to-interpret second amendment this day in age anyway.
PS I was shrieking the whole time I posted that.
Well, yes, guns kill people, but that argument doesn't go very far. If we were to apply it as a general principle, the first thing we would have to get rid of would be cars. I would actually support that, for reasons that you would agree with, I might guess. But that isn't a matter for shrieking in our society, for some reason. CARS KILL PEOPLE!!! Shriek, shriek, shriek. Gee, nobody's listening, liberal or conservative. Why not? Because (rationally or not) there is a cost-benefit side to it. We believe that the benefits of cars outweigh the fact that children will be killed by them every single day. Shriek. Now, I happen to believe that the benefits of the private ownership of guns (not putting 100% trust in a government that might execute a man like Socrates) outweigh the fact that people will be killed by them at a similiar (lesser/greater?) rate.
We permit our government to own guns because otherwise our nation would be defenseless against other nations. It's the same argument at a higher level.
Certain things get politicized, and taking one side or the other gives people an identity. Most arguments have an assumed consensus as their foundation, and therefore the winner is the one who shrieks loudly enough to be heard by his party.
Well, I had no idea this post would "trigger" a debate over gun control.
I've never really bought the argument that the American government might one day become intolerably oppressive. That alarming prospect--oops, we elected a tyranny--has always seemed like a fairy tale told primarily to sell libertarianism.
Even if it did one day seem like a good idea for the masses to rise up against the government, I can't imagine how arming them (the masses) with guns would be much help in that regard.
That said, there are many other reasons why American men should be allowed to keep their guns.
I think cars should require a license-oh right
Cars are a deadly (er?) weapon than guns. I don't think people should have them en masse they way we do. (shriek back at you, albeit in agreement).
Maybe you need some stupider ambitions, rebel.
Our guns don't drive us to work every day, the hospital, the grocery store, school...
What are then benefits, iyho, of guns?
Like what reasons, brain?
One reason, nim, would be to help men with little willies feel better about themselves.
So definitely no gun for you then, honey :P
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Well nim, how about we dress up as disgruntled neighbors, get a couple of "pieces," and go settle some scores? ;)
Or just drive around in the flaming pinto chucking lawn darts out the window!
OMG I bet loud lady will be uber loud tonight. SHRIIIEEEEKKKKKKKKK
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